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This idea of adding more ranks / expanding them to 'promote activity' makes no sense. This community has been around for years, people will not suddenly join R-S / get into the various forms of 'art' because of some colorful forum rank. (and if they did, they're not the type of person I'd want around anyways)
that said, it doesn't really matter to me if it changes, I just voted no because I don't agree with the thought behind it
1. These ranks recognizing nuanced skills take us down a path where we should just recognize everything. Designer was originally made to be rsps-orientated, even during the prime times of r-s and rsps this failed, it devolved into what it is now. If we recognize X skillset, why not Y skillset?
2. A rank like programmer works (slash worked when the site was active) because we have THOUSANDS of people developing rsps over many years of r-s history, hundreds of people partaking in discussion about it on here daily, the entire entity of RSPS revolves around general software development and this is why we recognize that skillset.
3. Simply put, there simply isn't enough activity around modelling in rsps (talking about actual forum discussion and contributions) to warrant recognizing them for it. Why do we even need to distinguish good modellers if there is no large-scale discussion or modelling contributions?
4. It seems this rank is just a way to give indirect advertising to people, I think the idea that rsps forum ranks on a site this old will somehow inspire people who were never otherwise interested is based in fantasy.
5. I think combining would be an even worse idea than creating a standalone. If the group is vote-in, you have a bunch of photoshoppers judging rsps modellers and vice versa. If this rank actually becomes a thing, either separate them or delete designer and have the new rank stand alone
If not that, it'll at least help those in need of a modeler, map creator or any other sort of designer get in touch with one. There's not a whole lot of people left, it's not particularly easy finding one if you're not already up to date with what everyone is doing or good at.
The rank doesn't hurt anyone, it is likely to help some people. These little steps will go a long way.
gotta be honest, I have no clue how to find all of the user groups and see the members in them. It's not intuitive (at least to me), it's likely not for new users. Just go find a highly upvoted sales thread, that works across every forum. (and is based on feedback from actual customers, not a peer-nominated 'boys club')
edit: I found a kb thread where it lists ranks and members
some ~3000 views since Jan 2019, doesn't look like many people view it when 'looking' for ranks
compared to a random graphics thread in the selling section (cherry picked from 7 on the front page, omitting map designers)
nearly 17k views in a timespan 10 months shorter
I don't think people actually have this workflow of 'looking for ranks, to then contact'
some ~3000 views since Jan 2019, doesn't look like many people view it when 'looking' for ranks
compared to a random graphics thread in the selling section (cherry picked from 7 on the front page, omitting map designers)
nearly 17k views in a timespan 10 months shorter
I don't think people actually have this workflow of 'looking for ranks, to then contact'
To be fair it's getting rather active now in the graphic section compared to months before, especially when I started out.
3.6k In ~4 months, that with far few people looking in the graphic section compared to the selling section.
I understand where you're coming from, but showing initiative from R-S side is more motivating to the people who are working on design knowing that the section isn't dead.
If it helps, I don't see a problem not doing it, since there's only to gain.
(Here's a reference prior
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Last edited by Wave; 01-20-2021 at 09:37 PM.
Personally, I think many people in art related fields are driven by recognition. You make art for the world to see, and when you don't feel like it's being seen, you either tire out, or you move onto somewhere you will get it. Now, if you're recommending that we shouldn't empower those people to share their work here because it's primarily a programming forum, then that's another point. We have an art channel, we have a graphics section, and ultimately as suggested, you can either remove them and watch the people here for it turn away, or we can empower the few that are here who are exceptionally talented and make them feel seen and encourage them to create more. That may not work, but that's hardly a reason not to when there would be no negative impact (at least from what I see)
I do think as designers, particularly me, we need to take the initiative to actually post in the graphics showcase section. Many have transitioned just to post in the art channel of discord to get feedback in real time. And I know that modelers probably don't share much because they don't feel like what they do is being recognized, though I can't speak for them. While it may not be as popular as the programming channel, we do still hold discussion in the art channel, and just over the past few months it has grown, and people have shown more interest. We shouldn't keep going as we have and let it die right back down.
Is my suggestion foolproof or perfect, I don't think so. But I'd like to come up with some kind of effort to bring recognition to the under represented members in the community, if for nothing else as an attempt. It's better than not trying at all. And I think the votes are very easily interpreted on what the community believes. Just my hot take.
Since it's clear there's majority support, instead of offering dissenting points here are some "suggestions-to-the-suggestion":
1. I don't think the ranks should be combined as there may be too much distinction between someone that designs graphics for clients and websites and someone that creates functional models in a video game. It's ambiguous how you even become a designer *now*.
2. Regardless of how the ranks change, combine or don't, the sections need reworking. Perhaps change the Graphics Section to "RSPS Design" to centralize activity to an area on the forums, it could encapsulate things like models as well as client designs etc. Might even be better to make a sub-forum under RSPS but the gfx section has to be looked at. The biggest issue with this rank suggestion is that there is just not enough activity to warrant it, so if you can concentrate the activity to fewer areas it at least helps.
3. Go through the designer list with a fine tooth comb, remove 2 layer sig creators and the like. Make a requirement for the designer rank be so that you have to actually be doing RSPS-related shit
Genuinely, I don't think "Designer" as it has been from like 2011-2021 serves any purpose on Rune-Server. Why recognize people that are simply skilled with photoshop with no context? The rank itself needs a major overhaul if these kinds of ideas are going forward.
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