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Very good points being brought up. I understand all of the points. The word 'artist' is very broad. But unless we were to make a separate group for every bit of creative form such as modelling, or map making, or video editing... this whole forum would be filled to the brim with different colors.
I don't like the argument on "halo figurines and anime characters". Literally no one in the designer usergroup primarily does signatures anymore. Wave, Calum, and myself all do RSPS services, the vast majority of the usergroup is creating primarily RSPS or related work. I don't think it would cripple us to vote on talented modelers or map creators, or any other creative, because when something is consistently quality, you can see it.
There is little restructuring to be done within the usergroup after the last round of demotions. The only question now is - do we expand designer to include modelers/map makers? Do we rename it to something else (suggestions welcome)? Do we create an entirely new rank?
I'd really like to know what ideas people would have for it. You can't make everyone happy, and there's no word I can come up with that isn't too broad to include multiple skillsets like this.
I just don't think creating a rank for modelers is the way to do it, or we will continue to dive down the rabbit hole of new ranks.
If this is really the only question then you already have the answer. Your group is vote-in, whoever is allowed in is entirely up to the people voting them in. If somebody nominates Lumplum for his modeling work, it's up to *you guys* to vote on that.
I think it's a little more than that though based on what everybody is discussing. Obviously my halo figurines comment is somewhat facetious, but legitimately creating logos and signatures as well as winning sotm contests (without any real context) was how you achieved designer. It never had to be relevant to RSPS at all. If you guys have already purged your rank of those types of people then refer to my first paragraph, it's up to who you vote in.
When I made the topic, I didn't know what majority of the community would think. So this stimulated discussion about it. I have already mentioned that ultimately if it was just decided modelers get nothing, then I would probably nominate them (but that was probably in the fiery storm of discord #spam). Where would that go, I don't know. Because I would be worried as many have brought up about modelers being called "designer" and the confusion in there being the same as if we were to call it "artist".
So the way I preferred to go was to get the community's feedback on it, which has certainly helped a lot, as many of the no voters have only voted no because they don't like the term "artists" or believe it should be a new rank, etc. And I can definitely see the reasoning behind it. So it makes me wonder if there's a better way to do this I am not seeing. Is a slight name change essential to understand what the group is, and if so what, if not artists (as broad as it is)?
I'm trying to make sense but I think I've been thinking about this and reading too many opinions too much lol.
literally no need for separate ranks what the hell lol, you just need to restructure the current designer rank, how can you even say an artist is too vague.. you do know thats the job title for people in the industry? https://au.indeed.com/3d-Modelling-Artist-jobs
if you think giving musicians the artist role is gonna be a problem then i think you need to reconsider why you're on this thread, this is about graphics artists
The problem people had was calling it the broad term of "Artist" despite the fact that it should be related exclusively to RSPS. You just linked a job title that specifically says "3d modelling artist" lmao
If the rank is to encompass only RSPS-related things then I actually agree, the name Designer and the rank are fine so long as you purge the non-qualified people and just restructure the actual written requirements and description so people have a better idea of what the rank really represents. Obv forum restructuring is necessary too.
I've actually already written up some restructured forums as of last night, as well, because I do completely agree with that. Who would go through sorting all kinds of topics is where the trouble would lie, because that would be an extremely tedious task.
The more I continue thinking about it, I do think the name designer could stay. The only reason it's really a problem is the fact we've associated it with just gfx (i hate that way of saying it) for so long.
From UI Design, to character design (modeling), to map design - it all really is all encompassing if we can get away from it's past use. As you said, as long as we keep it limited to RSPS it shouldn't be much an issue. Picasso himself couldn't come here with his paintings until someone was able to use it as a login screen.
I'm in favor because this would (I think) restore my rank and allow me to neg once again!
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