Contributor Rank

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Originally Posted by Graham [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]

I think the problem is that existing ranks are fairly cliquey - and I expect this one will end up the same given time.

If I ran the forum I wouldn't bother with ranks at all personally (should judge people individually based on their own merits), but people like pixels...

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Absolutely.

It is now up to the contributors to be mature enough to make sure the rank is handed out to people who deserve it.

I can't remember there being ranks on mopar (cough sorry Kevy look away) but it worked. You recognised people who knew what they were talking about anyway.

This is a low-cost respected member rank but this will encourage people to post. ++

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Originally Posted by Fire Cape [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]

Absolutely.

It is now up to the contributors to be mature enough to make sure the rank is handed out to people who deserve it.

I can't remember there being ranks on mopar (cough sorry Kevy look away) but it worked. You recognised people who knew what they were talking about anyway.

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There was/is btw, they were/are just more language-centric(take from that what you will) - [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]

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Originally Posted by Gang [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]

This is a low-cost respected member rank

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Not at all the intention and slightly demeaning to the existing users of the Contributor rank :P

sharing = caring
Love the new rank! Congrats on those who already achieved it or getting it in the near future ;) <3

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Originally Posted by Graham [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]

I think the problem is that existing ranks are fairly cliquey - and I expect this one will end up the same given time.

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We had tried to avoid this problem, which is the same sort of problem RM currently faces, by allowing staff to have both the ability to nominate and also the ability to confirm and deny nominations. That combined with the ability to strip inactive members I think will help us bust up the cliques and "reward" people who deserve the rank rather than let it be yet another girls' club.

Very nice! Congratulations to everyone who earned this rank! <3

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Originally Posted by Graham [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]

I think the problem is that existing ranks are fairly cliquey - and I expect this one will end up the same given time.

If I ran the forum I wouldn't bother with ranks at all personally (should judge people individually based on their own merits), but people like pixels...

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Yeah I mean as soon as you slap "nominated and voted in by the group" you're basically just begging for the same circlejerk arguments the vets had for years. Assuming the forums are active for any considerable length of time this rank too will just be a popularity contest.

As for the other groups, vet requirements were just laxed to Dec. 31 2008 and both vet and RM are admin appointed groups. People like pixels but I think my main point still stands, this Contributor kind of nullifies the process of giving someone RM so if we're gonna do the whole rank shuffling shit 15 years into the forums then might as well make sense of it.

ive contributed to the majority of shit posting on this community, wheres my recognition.

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Originally Posted by Thakiller [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]

Yeah I mean as soon as you slap "nominated and voted in by the group" you're basically just begging for the same circlejerk arguments the vets had for years. Assuming the forums are active for any considerable length of time this rank too will just be a popularity contest.

As for the other groups, vet requirements were just laxed to Dec. 31 2008 and both vet and RM are admin appointed groups. People like pixels but I think my main point still stands, this Contributor kind of nullifies the process of giving someone RM so if we're gonna do the whole rank shuffling shit 15 years into the forums then might as well make sense of it.

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This rank is definitely different than RM and vet, each one of the people awarded this rank has contributed quite a bit and continues to contribute towards the community. If they no longer contribute or go inactive for an extended period of time etc, then it is likely they would have the rank removed. Also, I believe it is reasonable for them to make nominations where it makes sense, and this seems likely to happen. This rank doesn't have nominations based off of popularity or anything like that, it is entirely about contributions.

This rank was very well thought out and planned and it's working out quite well so far and I don't see that changing any time soon. A lot of effort was put into this rank, so we aren't just going to let it fall by the wayside.

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Originally Posted by uint32_t [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]

This rank is definitely different than RM and vet, each one of the people awarded this rank has contributed quite a bit and continues to contribute towards the community. If they no longer contribute or go inactive for an extended period of time etc, then it is likely they would have the rank removed. Also, I believe it is reasonable for them to make nominations where it makes sense, and this seems likely to happen. This rank doesn't have nominations based off of popularity or anything like that, it is entirely about contributions.

This rank was very well thought out and planned and it's working out quite well so far and I don't see that changing any time soon. A lot of effort was put into this rank, so we aren't just going to let it fall by the wayside.

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Yeah I was never equating Contributor with other ranks. Graham and I were talking about how cliquey they are and all I pointed out was that a vote-in system is going to be inherently just as clique-y as vet WAS when it was a vote-in group.

The real issue I mentioned that was never responded to is that the parameters around attaining Contributor are basically identical to those for attaining Respected Member... so how does one "contribute to the forums" to such an extent that they deserve rank recognition for it, but they somehow aren't respected enough for the Respected Member rank? This is pretty much why I suggested we all but delete the RM rank or atleast retire it, turn it into ex-staff, do whatever. Contributor supersedes RM just by it's own design.

And fwiw, activity and post-activity requirements for various ranks have always existed and yet they are so rarely ever enforced, especially not a 15 y/o forum with a decaying populous, so I don't see how this really fits into the main issue I brought up.

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This rank doesn't have nominations based off of popularity or anything like that, it is entirely about contributions.

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Vet group was entirely about your join date being 2006 and it took me 8 years to get it even if I was retarded during most of those years. The principles never really change, ranks are a popularity contest.

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Originally Posted by Omar [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]

We had tried to avoid this problem, which is the same sort of problem RM currently faces, by allowing staff to have both the ability to nominate and also the ability to confirm and deny nominations. That combined with the ability to strip inactive members I think will help us bust up the cliques and "reward" people who deserve the rank rather than let it be yet another girls' club.

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You're describing exactly what the vet rank was supposed to be for years (also designer). This is literally history repeating itself, other than the promise of "it'll be different this time" I see no reason how this doesn't devolve into cliques/popularity contests/etc. provided the forums stay active enough to have a considerable amount of people with it.

It's not that the rank is a bad idea or anything it's just that it's nothing other than just a rank that will be susceptible to all the problems the other ranks face. You didn't make the perfect rank.

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Originally Posted by Thakiller [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]

Yeah I was never equating Contributor with other ranks. Graham and I were talking about how cliquey they are and all I pointed out was that a vote-in system is going to be inherently just as clique-y as vet WAS when it was a vote-in group.

The real issue I mentioned that was never responded to is that the parameters around attaining Contributor are basically identical to those for attaining Respected Member... so how does one "contribute to the forums" to such an extent that they deserve rank recognition for it, but they somehow aren't respected enough for the Respected Member rank? This is pretty much why I suggested we all but delete the RM rank or atleast retire it, turn it into ex-staff, do whatever. Contributor supersedes RM just by it's own design.

And fwiw, activity and post-activity requirements for various ranks have always existed and yet they are so rarely ever enforced, especially not a 15 y/o forum with a decaying populous, so I don't see how this really fits into the main issue I brought up.



Vet group was entirely about your join date being 2006 and it took me 8 years to get it even if I was retarded during most of those years. The principles never really change, ranks are a popularity contest.



You're describing exactly what the vet rank was supposed to be for years (also designer). This is literally history repeating itself, other than the promise of "it'll be different this time" I see no reason how this doesn't devolve into cliques/popularity contests/etc. provided the forums stay active enough to have a considerable amount of people with it.

It's not that the rank is a bad idea or anything it's just that it's nothing other than just a rank that will be susceptible to all the problems the other ranks face. You didn't make the perfect rank.

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This vote-in system is not designed to be clique-y as other ones may be. Popularity does not factor in here at all, contributions matter. I'm sorry if you don't see that.

It's not *just* activity requirements. Contributions are required to maintain the rank. Contributions are not just related to the forum, either. They can be Discord help contributions, open-source RSPS-related project contributions, or other means of contributions. It is worth stating again, we are not limiting this just to forums, unlike other ranks typically may have been in the past. You could argue that Contributor and Respected Member ranks are similar since you're probably respected if you're a Contributor, however, Contributor is explicitly different because it is specifically designed for people who are providing meaningful contributions in one manner or another, and are expected to continue providing contributions as they have done so previously. There are Respected Members who have not contributed anything in a long time, possibly ever.

In regards to activity requirements for other ranks, that's not necessarily true either - we removed a bunch of designers and other ranks even just earlier this year.

At this point I feel like you may not have a full understanding of this rank, and perhaps we failed to communicate all of the details about this rank.

It's not designed to be the be-all-end-all rank, but there was a good amount of thought and effort put into this rank, even if it may not seem like it to you at first glance.

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Originally Posted by uint32_t [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]

This vote-in system is not designed to be clique-y as other ones may be. Popularity does not factor in here at all, contributions matter. I'm sorry if you don't see that.

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Yeah I hear what you're saying, again this just screams "this will be different this time" with no indication of anything being different. In the RM section there's a thread called "The Code" and #2 of the code says:
""2) A required level of activity must be maintained in order to remain active in the ranks. Must maintain a weekly posting habit in which high quality/constructive post are made.""

When do you ever see this kind of shit enforced? Virtually never. The designer rank was flat out removed and [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...] to have any RMs stripped in years.

The core issue you aren't seeing is that there are ultimately still a "governing body" of people who decide/judge contributions and effectively decide the rules themselves unless Scu just makes a sweeping decision. Whatever restrictions and requirements you throw onto the rank are subject to the same problems as the requirements and restrictions as *every other rank*. What really counts as a contribution? After so many people attain the rank it's too much to manage.

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It's not designed to be the be-all-end-all rank, but there was a good amount of thought and effort put into this rank, even if it may not seem like it to you at first glance.

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I'm sure you guys did and the rank isn't a bad idea as I've said, but you guys forgot to address the issues with the current ranks (i.e. RM) and just made a rank to blanket over top of it. And now, against what 14+ years of Rune-Server history tells us, we're just going to believe that this rank is going to be adequately maintained and not cliquey blah blah blah. Need I remind you btw that people literally made that stupid "rebellion chat" or whatever *because of this rank* lmao.

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Originally Posted by Thakiller [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]

Yeah I hear what you're saying, again this just screams "this will be different this time" with no indication of anything being different. In the RM section there's a thread called "The Code" and #2 of the code says:
""2) A required level of activity must be maintained in order to remain active in the ranks. Must maintain a weekly posting habit in which high quality/constructive post are made.""

When do you ever see this kind of shit enforced? Virtually never. The designer rank was flat out removed and [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...] to have any RMs stripped in years.

The core issue you aren't seeing is that there are ultimately still a "governing body" of people who decide/judge contributions and effectively decide the rules themselves unless Scu just makes a sweeping decision. Whatever restrictions and requirements you throw onto the rank are subject to the same problems as the requirements and restrictions as *every other rank*. What really counts as a contribution? After so many people attain the rank it's too much to manage.



I'm sure you guys did and the rank isn't a bad idea as I've said, but you guys forgot to address the issues with the current ranks (i.e. RM) and just made a rank to blanket over top of it. And now, against what 14+ years of Rune-Server history tells us, we're just going to believe that this rank is going to be adequately maintained and not cliquey blah blah blah. Need I remind you btw that people literally made that stupid "rebellion chat" or whatever *because of this rank* lmao.

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If you don't see how this rank is different at this point then I'm really not sure what else there is for me to say. We will just have to prove that this is different, especially considering our staff team is different than it was 14 years ago, or even 5 or 2 or 1 year ago. This rank is just one iteration of many planned changes, and isn't designed to address other ranks shortcomings or issues - it's designed to supplement other ranks and improve the community overall by encouraging positive contributions. We have already noticed more contributions than before, so it is already improving things which is great to see. If you want to know what counts as a contribution, look at the main post for examples of contributions - there are plenty of different ways one can contribute. You can always mention to staff or an existing Contributor someone you might think would be well suited for the rank.

Also, just because people aren't active on the forums doesn't mean they aren't active in Discord, which they mostly are. Of course, activity is not necessarily the same thing as contributions, which is worth mentioning once more. Again, we have removed people from ranks even just earlier this year (2021). A lot of this stuff happens behind the scenes, as you would imagine staff activity does, but it is happening.

The supposed rebellion chat actually came before the rank, so that's not actually why it was created, so it seems a bit odd to me to mention that.

Anyways, we should probably stop discussing this here and let things get more back on topic.

If you have any actual complaints or suggestions, like actionable things that we can work on, you can always feel free to send me a PM.

does this mean i get contributor for outing the owner of RL

Great idea, Jay! I hope it'll encourage people to share more and better content. :)

I'm a bit late, but congrats to the those who got the rank! I think it's a good idea that will encourage help/contributions rather than competition.

I feel like 3 people got left out :/ but congrats..

ye clem got left out

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Originally Posted by Loyalty_ [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]

I feel like 3 people got left out :/ but congrats..

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who do you feel was left out? we're all ears if you want to suggest some ppl

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Originally Posted by Women [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]

who do you feel was left out? we're all ears if you want to suggest some ppl

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Originally Posted by Women [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]

who do you feel was left out? we're all ears if you want to suggest some ppl

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Clem585 tbh

and maybe _Jordan idk i can't see his activity

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Originally Posted by Loyalty_ [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]

Clem585 tbh

and maybe _Jordan idk i can't see his activity

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whens the last time they contributed, 2010?

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Originally Posted by Scythe [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]

whens the last time they contributed, 2010?

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Not many ppl have been making contributions recently, perhaps why they chose to include #free-help contributions?

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Originally Posted by Scythe [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]

whens the last time they contributed, 2010?

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Clem contributes all the time?? Rofl

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Originally Posted by Loyalty_ [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]

Clem585 tbh

and maybe _Jordan idk i can't see his activity

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we're working on some nominations atm

thanks for the suggestions :yes:

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Originally Posted by Arham [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]

Clem contributes all the time?? Rofl

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imagine answering thousands of questions in help and having your work overlooked by some rando

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Originally Posted by Scythe [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]

whens the last time they contributed, 2010?

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all the time.

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Originally Posted by Women [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]

we're working on some nominations atm

thanks for the suggestions :yes:

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I just want to thank all the women in the world for nominating me for contributor.

can i nominate myself

Think this one may be several years too late aha