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    Quote Originally Posted by Leao View Post
    And if someone want to crash the votes from a rival server, and use a easily detectable vote bot?
    This man makes a valid point. So one could easily ruin a server's legitimate vote count by simply running a script? Seems very unfair to me. I don't have a better solution myself, but I think this problem could be worse than the original problem we had in the first place.


    Cheating to gain votes < Cheating to wipe another's votes ? I don't know about that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart View Post
    what ever solution you create can be replicated with a bot, runelocus toplist is a good example ikikii has done many changes and people still cheat.
    Yeah RuneLocus uses reCAPTCHA IIRC, it would be nice to see it implemented here instead of just CAPTCHA. I agree that a solution is always possible, but it's about making it as preventable as possible. Right now clicking a box at a certain location and waiting wouldn't be hard to circumvent :/.
     

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    Require users to be logged in to vote.

    May mean less votes, but any votes will be confirmed by the user and it'll probably bring some traffic to the forum hopefully.

    Can also make it so forum member accounts can only vote twice per 24h per server.

    Just a thought. =)
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leao View Post
    And if someone want to crash the votes from a rival server, and use a easily detectable vote bot?
    This is the reason why I usually don't ban servers on RuneLocus. This used to happen a lot on my website, be careful on this Kevin.


    Quote Originally Posted by Stuart View Post
    what ever solution you create can be replicated with a bot, runelocus toplist is a good example ikikii has done many changes and people still cheat.
    First point is completely true, the second not lol. I haven't made such changes in years.

    Technically seen it is definitely possible and pretty easy to stop vote bots... but just for a day or two. The developers of those bots will find a new way to trick the system before you get to celebrate your update. It really isn't worth the time to block vote bots, I gave up on that years ago. It'll become an unending routine of updates, and eventually a total waste of your time.

    Instead of trying to stop vote bots, I moved onto just moderating the toplist. Works better for me, because my systems are able to detect almost all common vote bots as you can see.



    But instead of blocking them like we've all been focusing on for the past years, I just let them vote.

    Then at a random moment, I just suddenly remove (parts of) the cheated votes. Or even better: I let the system automatically remove the votes when they're (finally) about to beat another server in rank. It's great to see a cheater almost about to celebrate beating a (not cheating) competitor, but instead of sending it up in rank, send it down in rank. Karma.

    That unfortunately does mean my toplist isn't 100% clean, obviously. But I don't think that's much of a problem. I'd rather have 10% cheated, than have 95% cheated (e.g. RSPS-List.com). Besides, this is obviously a lot easier for me, and a lot harder for the vote botter. They can update their bot to whatever they want after I remove the cheated votes, but they'll never know whether I'm still able to detect their votes or not until I remove the votes again.

    Annoying and disappointing the cheaters seems to be the best solution these days. Server owners really respect the moderation, try to help me out by giving me tips and information on cheating software and eventually leak cheating scripts to me. So yes, it is worth to look into the toplist Stuart. Just not to block, you're right on that.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jason View Post
    Yeah RuneLocus uses reCAPTCHA IIRC, it would be nice to see it implemented here instead of just CAPTCHA. I agree that a solution is always possible, but it's about making it as preventable as possible. Right now clicking a box at a certain location and waiting wouldn't be hard to circumvent :/.
    I haven't used reCAPTCHA in ages, instead I use FunCaptcha. It doesn't help stop vote bots at all though, don't bother getting it lol. I have it for other reasons.



    Quote Originally Posted by Project View Post
    Require users to be logged in to vote.

    May mean less votes, but any votes will be confirmed by the user and it'll probably bring some traffic to the forum hopefully.

    Can also make it so forum member accounts can only vote twice per 24h per server.

    Just a thought. =)
    Developing a bot to create some fake forum accounts is easy, doesn't solve the issue but will cause votes to drop to a minimum. Nobody is going to register an account to vote.
     


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    I always considered rune-server's toplist to be dead.

    Until I see traffic stats to prove otherwise I always will.

    Frantic spent a month at #2 and has been sitting at #5 and its gotton like 15 clicks(we are tracking it through ref links).

    Seems extremely dead to me, I don't even know why anyone would bother cheating, its not worth the $20 for the 1000 votes.

    Breathe some life into it first and show the community its not dead and perhaps other servers will actually add theirs to it.

    I'd be embarrassed to know that 8 of the top 10 servers don't even bother adding their server to rune-server's toplist because its so dead, Only two that have are pkhonor(who bots every toplist) and dreamscape.

    When you can make the first page of rune-server with 50 votes 9 days in you've got problems and it isn't people cheating.

    Publish some statistics and mabey show RSPS owners its worth 15 minutes to add it to their games and mabey some servers actually will. Rune-server desperately needs some love to its toplist both through SEO rankings and gathering more traffic to it.

    If anything I'd think you'd WANT people to cheat, god knows its dead enough already without removing votes and banning servers. The worst part is Frantic is 100% legit to and I'd still rather see cheating and a lower rank because the traffic cant get any worse lol.
     

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    this is about time I feel so bad when I join a server with hundreds of votes but only a player base of 10-20
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rsgoldtime View Post
    I always considered rune-server's toplist to be dead.

    Until I see traffic stats to prove otherwise I always will.

    Frantic spent a month at #2 and has been sitting at #5 and its gotton like 15 clicks(we are tracking it through ref links).

    Seems extremely dead to me, I don't even know why anyone would bother cheating, its not worth the $20 for the 1000 votes.

    Breathe some life into it first and show the community its not dead and perhaps other servers will actually add theirs to it.

    I'd be embarrassed to know that 8 of the top 10 servers don't even bother adding their server to rune-server's toplist because its so dead, Only two that have are pkhonor(who bots every toplist) and dreamscape.

    When you can make the first page of rune-server with 50 votes 9 days in you've got problems and it isn't people cheating.

    Publish some statistics and mabey show RSPS owners its worth 15 minutes to add it to their games and mabey some servers actually will. Rune-server desperately needs some love to its toplist both through SEO rankings and gathering more traffic to it.

    If anything I'd think you'd WANT people to cheat, god knows its dead enough already without removing votes and banning servers. The worst part is Frantic is 100% legit to and I'd still rather see cheating and a lower rank because the traffic cant get any worse lol.
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