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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    I think you're only fooling yourself with that, to be honest. You can put in lots of time to advertising needs but I honestly do not see it making any sort of a difference. RSPS marketing is niche and it's largely just word of mouth and loyalty. Putting your ads in places like social media can be more damaging than good, it'll put Jagex on your tail like a rabid jackal. There's a reason why our(re: zen) server never had any sort of issues with payment processors or Jagex, and we did just fine when it came to gathering crowds together either way. A large part of the server's lifetime, we were second on the only true toplist, despite our less than bad update cycles.
    You do bring up a point of course, but when you advertising on socials and so on.. it doesn't mean you to be targetted by Jagex from my POV it would be gathering bigger crowds and hype around your server, Zenyte had a successful launch for many reasons your reputation, uniqueness and that way you guys branded the server was very well done and is very smart you completely relied on word of mouth and toplists, but its downfall putting aside the issues with development is because you have not invested as much into YouTubers because you thought it not worth the "click" yet you have not thought about abusing the YT algorithm to a limit where if anybody searches RSPS it wouldn't pop but Zenyte, it doesn't have to do with socials and the amount you spend it's how you do it.
    I may be fooling my self of course but if this "server" that I MAY have a partner with fails then it fails, it's still a try and I'm willing to take more if need be.
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    From my experience in both Development and Management in RSPS, this discussion is pretty easily squashed.

    While Facebook, YouTube, Google, SEO & other means of advertisements are extremely beneficial for servers, the server has nothing to advertise on these platforms without consistent Development. Most of the time, these forms of advertisements are a HUGE waste of money, as Kris said. From RSPS Top list ads costing from $150-$600/month PER SPOT to Facebook costing depending on your outreach and audience $30-$150/month, don't get me started on RSPS YouTubers. All of these add up to an extortionate amount, when realistically, that $1000-$3000 you're spending a month on boosting your Adverstisements could go towards 1-3 Developers that will progress your server even more, and then spend $500-1000 a month on a few YouTubers/Ads to reach out and let people know about your new updates.

    Main thing you need to realise is:

    Can a server run without Advertisements successfully? Yes
    Can a server run without Development successfully? Not a chance.
    Can a server run without Management successfully? Not a chance.

    However, when it comes to an RSPS first starting out, it's not what you have, it's how you portray it, and that's where advertisements and people in these management roles thrive. Maintaining a server past this point is PURELY Development priority and management, advertisements are far less-prominent when there's an existing playerbase.

    Zenyte had a massive launch due to months upon months if not over a year of constant teasers, advertisements and competitions pre-launch getting everybody ready. Once they launched, they captured people who's attention hadn't been drawn through ZachTX and a few other YouTubers. Following this, they didn't use another YouTuber, no Facebook ads, no Instagram ads, only maintained their Runelocus ad-spots and being #2.



    There's a reason Developers are so hard to come by these days, because people undervalue the ability they have to completely change a server, the Developers are often let down by the people who claim to be managers as they expect the server to run flawlessly as it progresses with development.

    Management is so much more than advertisement as you stated, Stable. However, it has much more to do with the way you run the game and organise feedback, staff, quality assurance and development prioritisation compared to advertising. From my experience, that has been the biggest downfall of servers, and even Ataraxia at points. Developers are only as strong as the server's management, and unfortunately, we saw this with the recent downfall of Zenyte despite having Noele, Tommeh, Corey, Kris & Hacker.

    OT: Have watched your recent streams, I hope you manage to find somebody, but you must value Developers a bit more, especially if you are unable to do what they do.
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    thanks for accepting my aplicaton

    looking for ward to moding ur server.
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    Best of luck, I understand the reasoning for some of the negative comments however I do agree with your responses!
    Shoot me a PM, I may be able to extend an offer of some kind
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaedmo View Post
    From my experience in both Development and Management in RSPS, this discussion is pretty easily squashed.

    While Facebook, YouTube, Google, SEO & other means of advertisements are extremely beneficial for servers, the server has nothing to advertise on these platforms without consistent Development. Most of the time, these forms of advertisements are a HUGE waste of money, as Kris said. From RSPS Top list ads costing from $150-$600/month PER SPOT to Facebook costing depending on your outreach and audience $30-$150/month, don't get me started on RSPS YouTubers. All of these add up to an extortionate amount, when realistically, that $1000-$3000 you're spending a month on boosting your Adverstisements could go towards 1-3 Developers that will progress your server even more, and then spend $500-1000 a month on a few YouTubers/Ads to reach out and let people know about your new updates.

    Main thing you need to realise is:

    Can a server run without Advertisements successfully? Yes
    Can a server run without Development successfully? Not a chance.
    Can a server run without Management successfully? Not a chance.

    However, when it comes to an RSPS first starting out, it's not what you have, it's how you portray it, and that's where advertisements and people in these management roles thrive. Maintaining a server past this point is PURELY Development priority and management, advertisements are far less-prominent when there's an existing playerbase.

    Zenyte had a massive launch due to months upon months if not over a year of constant teasers, advertisements and competitions pre-launch getting everybody ready. Once they launched, they captured people who's attention hadn't been drawn through ZachTX and a few other YouTubers. Following this, they didn't use another YouTuber, no Facebook ads, no Instagram ads, only maintained their Runelocus ad-spots and being #2.



    There's a reason Developers are so hard to come by these days, because people undervalue the ability they have to completely change a server, the Developers are often let down by the people who claim to be managers as they expect the server to run flawlessly as it progresses with development.

    Management is so much more than advertisement as you stated, Stable. However, it has much more to do with the way you run the game and organise feedback, staff, quality assurance and development prioritisation compared to advertising. From my experience, that has been the biggest downfall of servers, and even Ataraxia at points. Developers are only as strong as the server's management, and unfortunately, we saw this with the recent downfall of Zenyte despite having Noele, Tommeh, Corey, Kris & Hacker.

    OT: Have watched your recent streams, I hope you manage to find somebody, but you must value Developers a bit more, especially if you are unable to do what they do.
    Your words can't be any more right you pretty much justified the entire conversation between everybody, and thanks for watching the streams as for the developers I do value everybody and their work and hopefully will find a good partner down the line.

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    thanks for accepting my aplicaton

    looking for ward to moding ur server.
    Oh I thought your are already programming you what?

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    Best of luck, I understand the reasoning for some of the negative comments however I do agree with your responses!
    Shoot me a PM, I may be able to extend an offer of some kind
    Appreciate it mate, if its for Valos I'm not interested sadly
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    Did Kris really just say social media will attract Jagex? Do you think they've never heard of Zenyte or something lmao. They aren't shutting you down because they don't care enough, especially now they're run by the Chinese.
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    Only people bitching on this thread are devs that can't manage if their life depended on it.

    I've worked in the past with Stable, he's a straight up guy. He is a bit weird sometimes and has a fetish for fucking donuts. I vouch for him though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Cape View Post
    Did Kris really just say social media will attract Jagex? Do you think they've never heard of Zenyte or something lmao. They aren't shutting you down because they don't care enough, especially now they're run by the Chinese.
    If you go over your limits they may chase you, because your overstepping some boundries

    Quote Originally Posted by Kraken View Post
    Only people bitching on this thread are devs that can't manage if their life depended on it.

    I've worked in the past with Stable, he's a straight up guy. He is a bit weird sometimes and has a fetish for fucking donuts. I vouch for him though.
    Appreciate it bud thanks
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    I get cancer from reading these comments.
    Vouch for my g stable, mans knows his shit. Hopefully you'll find someone bud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraken View Post
    Only people bitching on this thread are devs that can't manage if their life depended on it.

    I've worked in the past with Stable, he's a straight up guy. He is a bit weird sometimes and has a fetish for fucking donuts. I vouch for him though.
    TLDR: People with talent should be expected to allow someone else to leverage that talent with no promise of anything in return :^)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kraken View Post
    Only people bitching on this thread are devs that can't manage if their life depended on it.

    I've worked in the past with Stable, he's a straight up guy. He is a bit weird sometimes and has a fetish for fucking donuts. I vouch for him though.
    TLDR: People with talent should be expected to allow someone else to leverage that talent with no promise of anything in return :^)
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