317 From-scratch recreation of 317 in .NET and C#

From-scratch recreation of 317 in .NET and C#

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Originally Posted by SidRaven [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]

Hi there

I am a programmer looking to start a project which aims to create a from-scratch implementation of the RS client and server. As I understand it every client out there is in some way a derivative of the Jagex client, which means you no rights of ownership to the code and you also cannot do anything useful with it beyond personal use. The problem also exists for servers; because many are reverse engineered from refactored client code you hold no rights over the code, cannot release it as MIT.

My wish is to re-create the server and client in the manner of which projects such as openmw (A Morrowind engine recreation) has. They have recreated the game client from scratch in a new engine which means they can theoretically create a whole new game that runs on the engine and sell it. I'm not saying this is a goal, but it means you have a lot of flexibility and you are legally safe.

The only difference I would suggest is to effectively do away with trying to recreate the 317 network protocol, the way in which the RS client renders etc, just go for trying to recreate the look, feel and functionality of the 317 revision, support loading its client content, but the server and client architecture would be incompatible with existing clients and servers. I don't think this is a big deal considering the benefits gained in ease of development from not being constrained by design limitations or paradigms used in 317 protocols and the fact most servers have custom clients anyway.

I would aim to use C#, .NET Core and MonoGame in order to have a cross platform server and GPU powered client. I would like to try using something like ZeroMQ for the network layer, take advantage of C# language features and .NET functionality.

I have over 20 years programming experience, 15 in C#, I have some experience with RS development but would need other developers who know C# to help, also anyone who would be willing to document functionality needed to be recreated, research etc would be vital.

Would anyone be interested in such a project? I understand it is a big undertaking but if I can get people on board I don't think it's impossible.

PS. I am not sure whether this is the correct area to post this as this request encompasses server and client and not strictly just 317.

I understand you seeking safety -- legally -- but consider looking into copyright a little more. "Theme" is not legally protected, however, art and sound is. If you are looking to recreate RuneScape, as you describe, you would still be on the hook. You're using their art. If you created a game very similar to RuneScape, but changed the art (assets, concepts, etc). then you'd be fine. But if you have a rune platebody, looks like Jagex' rune platebody, etc. you're probably still up for legality issues. I am not 100% on this, I am not a lawyer, I'm just producing what I've came across in my time.

My next point; you are going to put that much time, effort, and workload into re-creating something that already exists -- this sounds extremely wasteful of your skills. You're better off creating your own idea/product and running with it. Maybe the same 'theme' but not the game in its entirety.

Regardless, good luck. It is definitely a huge undertaking.

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Sounds like a giant waste of time.
Ambitious projects like this never get finished, no one is going to use/buy it, 317 needs to die already.

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Originally Posted by Corey [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]

Sounds like a giant waste of time.
Ambitious projects like this never get finished, no one is going to use/buy it, 317 needs to die already.

Thank you for your motivational words.

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Originally Posted by Corey [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]

Sounds like a giant waste of time.
Ambitious projects like this never get finished, no one is going to use/buy it, 317 needs to die already.

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Originally Posted by SidRaven [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click Here To Register...]

Thank you for your motivational words.

While blunt it's for good reason, all the veterans here see these (among other) types of projects come and go every few years.

If you're going to recreate the whole game and assets then it's going to be a different game; so you might as well remove the restraints and go into indie development. You'll get to create something that you own and can sell, and it'll take less time and effort.

If you're actually serious about continuing this then you must consider the actual tangible benefits of recreating a client from scratch, a process that will take in the ballpark of a thousand hours, and ask is being able to "add an MIT license" worth the $7k pricetag? (min wage @ 1k hours)

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