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    Hello. I go by CombatBorn and I have 2 years of experience programming in Java. I've played RSPS since I was a child and finally built up the courage to give my own a shot. I would love a challenge to grow as a developer by modifying something I'm so familiar with. I have several questions, and I hope you have answers! I also hope that this thread may help answer questions for others that are in a similar situation to me. I don't claim to be a professional, but I do feel confident and well versed with java at an intermediate level.

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    (1) What are some of the most commonly supported base client/servers used? (Links would be appreciated!)
    I'd like to stipulate that I'm open to working with any version of Runescape, but I would prefer something that feels very smooth (minimal dead clicks), is commonly used, and has a real Old School feel.

    (2) I have a huge hatred for dead clicks. Although I assume an occasional dead click will be inevitable, are there any clients that dead click relatively less often than others?

    (3) I don't intend to re-invent the wheel, where could I go to obtain already made CoX/ToB addons for the server (and other similar widely used addons)? What even is the correct terminology for this (other than addon)?

    (4) How much do RSPS devs (non-server owners) typically get paid? I know there are plenty of factors, but what is a minimum and maximum ballpark number?

    (5) Are there any recommended hosts that RSPS typically use for server/website hosting?

    (6) Other than forum posts, YouTubers, and paid Vote Site ads: what are some other ways people advertise RSPS?

    (7) Are there any tips/advice you have for people new to the RSPS dev scene that you wish someone would have given you?

    Thanks for your time!
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    allo lad

    I don't really play runescape so i don't even know what a deadclick is. Can i assume it's simply a click that didn't register?
    Is this even an issue with current releases? (or even releases in the last 7 years)

    Advice for new people to the rsps dev scene is be thick skinned about criticism and don't follow the bad practices you often find in freely available servers.

    I'm not really involved enough in the scene to answer the rest
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    (3) I don't intend to re-invent the wheel, where could I go to obtain already made CoX/ToB addons for the server (and other similar widely used addons)?
    This doesn't exist - no server has both of those pieces of content written 1:1. Publicly available sources have them far worse, so to answer your question: no where


    What even is the correct terminology for this (other than addon)
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    (4) How much do RSPS devs (non-server owners) typically get paid? I know there are plenty of factors, but what is a minimum and maximum ballpark number?
    $0-4000/mo



    (5) Are there any recommended hosts that RSPS typically use for server/website hosting?
    OVH



    (6) Other than forum posts, YouTubers, and paid Vote Site ads: what are some other ways people advertise RSPS?
    Social media, search engines, word of mouth



    (7) Are there any tips/advice you have for people new to the RSPS dev scene that you wish someone would have given you?
    Don't learn from existing sources, they're all extremely poorly written and in reality are very far from runescape. Do it yourself
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    (2) I have a huge hatred for dead clicks. Although I assume an occasional dead click will be inevitable, are there any clients that dead click relatively less often than others?
    Helps to understand what causes dead clicks in the first place. Dead clicks are essentially the result of your client refreshing at too low of refresh rate, in RSPS this is typically 50FPS. The issue is quickly moving your mouse and immediately clicking at the end of that movement, before allowing the client to actually refresh at least once, to update the menu/target itself. Because of this, it will just register the click as if you didn't click on whatever it is you were trying to click on, and will just assume you clicked on the tile itself around the coords of the mouse.
    The only real fix to this issue is to increase the refresh rate; HDOS offers some really amazing performance and, thus, FPS, but it isn't really released in any way, and you'd have to decompile the live version and get it fitted for your private server - on top of this, it's only viable for original OSRS sources, not X loading OSRS or anything like that. Pure, current up to date OSRS.
    Alternative is using the more recent version of the GPU plugin on RuneLite which allows increasing the FPS a little further, but this is largely still bottlenecked by the poor performance caused by the client being mostly single-threaded, don't expect much beyond the 100 FPS limit, much less so in populated areas.

    (4) How much do RSPS devs (non-server owners) typically get paid? I know there are plenty of factors, but what is a minimum and maximum ballpark number?
    Minimum is around $20/hour, don't think I've seen anyone work for less than that. This is your typical Rune-Server developer with a couple years of experience under their skin, not really capable of doing everything, but probably capable enough to do any small requirements you might have.
    The upper end is kinda limitless. Under normal circumstances however, it tends to linger around the $50/hour mark; this'll get you a developer with many years of experience, ones capable of doing pretty much everything you'd need in RSPS. The reason why I said it's limitless is because these upper end developers are very hard to come by, and if you are in a hurry, don't be surprised if you're struggling to find anyone even for > $100/hour; speaking from personal experience here

    Worth mentioning though that you need some very fat pockets and a bit of luck on your side if your plan is to hire people to build everything for you. RSPS is nothing if not filled with unreliable developers, and you're likely to get scammed several times along the way, not to mention all kinds of broken promises. People going down this path often end up spending even as much as $50k on a "leaked"/not-from-scratch server just to get it playable by their standards.
    It's always worth learning how to do this yourself, even if it ends up taking a couple years to do so - at least you won't have to rely on others as much, they're bound to disappoint you.



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    Quote Originally Posted by NeilG View Post
    I don't really play runescape so i don't even know what a deadclick is. Can i assume it's simply a click that didn't register?
    Is this even an issue with current releases? (or even releases in the last 7 years)

    You are correct; it is when a click doesn't register. OSRS and RS3 don't have dead clicks, however A lot of RSPS I have played on within the last several years have dead clicks. I'm a fan of smooth gameplay, and I fully intend to make something that infact feels smooth.


    Quote Originally Posted by NeilG View Post
    Advice for new people to the rsps dev scene is be thick skinned about criticism and don't follow the bad practices you often find in freely available servers.

    I appreciate your feedback, I'll be sure to put my best work forward.

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    (3) I don't intend to re-invent the wheel, where could I go to obtain already made CoX/ToB addons for the server (and other similar widely used addons)?
    This doesn't exist - no server has both of those pieces of content written 1:1. Publicly available sources have them far worse, so to answer your question: no where
    My question pertains to the fact that there is a lot of content that players expect when playing a RSPS such as Pest control, Raids, Warrior's Guild, etc. I was more wondering how much of this content is available to implement into a source I'm working on if not already available on the source I'm working with. Or should I just make it all myself?


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    What even is the correct terminology for this (other than addon)
    Content
    This response makes me believe that content such as this is programmed to work specifically with certain sources, not necessarily a one size fits all sort of situation. Would you agree that this is an accurate assessment?


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    (4) How much do RSPS devs (non-server owners) typically get paid? I know there are plenty of factors, but what is a minimum and maximum ballpark number?
    $0-4000/mo
    Good to know, thank you!


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    (5) Are there any recommended hosts that RSPS typically use for server/website hosting?
    OVH
    Thank you.


    Quote Originally Posted by Corey View Post
    (6) Other than forum posts, YouTubers, and paid Vote Site ads: what are some other ways people advertise RSPS?
    Social media, search engines, word of mouth
    Could you elaborate on how someone could get their desired result towards the top of a search engine?


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    (7) Are there any tips/advice you have for people new to the RSPS dev scene that you wish someone would have given you?
    Don't learn from existing sources, they're all extremely poorly written and in reality are very far from runescape. Do it yourself
    That would be ideal to be honest, and is something I'm pretty interested in, however I wouldn't quite know where to begin. I will search for some forum posts to help me achieve this, but are you aware of any yourself? If you have the expertise to do something like this is there a chance you could Discord call with me and give me a rundown? If not I fully understand!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CombatBorn View Post
    This response makes me believe that content such as this is programmed to work specifically with certain sources, not necessarily a one size fits all sort of situation. Would you agree that this is an accurate assessment?
    One size does not fit all. Code can be ripped and converted to work on your specific server but if you want quality, it's best to write it yourself. (Assuming you know what you're doing)

    Joining the rune server discord and enquiring about stuff is much faster than the forums. I suggest using that for quicker responses.
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    Just be cautious that the RSPS scene is a dog eat dog community and its quiet common to get done over by people who may seem friendly and mutual in a discord call but all they want is blood from a bone but this is the standard online now days, Don't get me wrong there is a few decent people left here but the apple has defiantly fallen far from the tree. If you're not apart of the purple circle, your a pagan.

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    rsps like anything is a business

    its an all out war for advertisement and to get people to play on their server to ultimately collect money from donations

    i would only use rsps to learn java and perhaps use it to boost your resume to get a real job in programming
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