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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumiere View Post
    Well, starting with PI, you're going to learn poor implementation, execution, and conventions.

    Something you should keep in mind this is "Programming in Java", not "RSPS Coding".
    There's many things I could say about this, and many ways I could word said statements..
    But the point I'm trying to make is simply that; it wouldn't be wise to revolve your experience/want to learn around the RSPS scene.
    It's a nice hobby to have, but learning purely from what you see in an RSPS is not the way to go about learning Java.

    EDIT: If you want something bare-bones with good implementation/execution, to learn and develop with(despite what I've said), look no further than Apollo.
    Also, posting snippets, bits of code, really LOOKING for feedback is a great way to learn. Some critique is harsh, but I promise you learn from it.

    I started posting on this forum learning to program without even the slightest clue how most data types work.
    Learning what I have was no easy feat, and didn't happen over-night, you really have to put your time into it.
    Take the time to really read and absorb the information given to you in tutorials and critique.

    Best of luck!
    You have great advice! for that thank you i know your message wasn't directed at me but it hit me as i am new to all of this and would love to learn how to understand java
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quitbow View Post
    I want to get into coding. I want to dig as deep as possible into rsps coding. I do not want to host a server my own. I simply want to get some knowledge on rsps coding and get better and better over time.
    I would like to look at a finish server and a clean server of the same source, so i can see how people code what, which methode they use etc etc etc.

    Ofc it shouldnt be to hard since im a beginner. (I know how to run a server and client "YAAAY" x'D)
    [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Check out this book. It will help you learn & understand the code. There are free PDFs on google.

    Good luck.

    The wake of the ship doesn't drive the ship anymore than the tail wags the dog.

    “On two occasions I have been asked, ‘Pray, Mr. Babbage, if
    you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers
    come out?’ […] I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of
    confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by mushroom tip View Post
    [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] Check out this book. It will help you learn & understand the code. There are free PDFs on google.

    Good luck.
    JavaScript is not Java, a better recommendation would be [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]. JS and Java do share similarities, but may result in confusion when it comes to things like prototyping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Serious ipwxy View Post
    JavaScript is not Java, a better recommendation would be [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]. JS and Java do share similarities, but may result in confusion when it comes to things like prototyping.
    ? I never said JS was Java & when it comes to RSPS the book I linked is extremely helpful for those who are taking the route of self-teaching.

    The wake of the ship doesn't drive the ship anymore than the tail wags the dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mushroom tip View Post
    ? I never said JS was Java & when it comes to RSPS the book I linked is extremely helpful for those who are taking the route of self-teaching.
    You said it'll help them understand the code. Yeah, you can learn imperative concepts and prototypical OOP, but the syntax isn't the same. The semantics aren't the same. The philosophy isn't the same (although ES6 now supports class-based OOP, that book was written before ES6).

    What I was saying is newbies who read that book may wind up confused as to why the syntax is completely different from what they teach in that book, apart from maybe the simple imperative stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Serious ipwxy View Post
    You said it'll help them understand the code. Yeah, you can learn imperative concepts and prototypical OOP, but the syntax isn't the same. The semantics aren't the same. The philosophy isn't the same (although ES6 now supports class-based OOP, that book was written before ES6).

    What I was saying is newbies who read that book may wind up confused as to why the syntax is completely different from what they teach in that book, apart from maybe the simple imperative stuff.
    Ah... I personally only read through the first 200 pages which was the basis of the language & explanations of what variables were which & how to use them properly. This type of information is useful to both Js & Java. After the first 100 pages one should be able to read the code efficiently & have the ability to write their own "complex" methods.

    The wake of the ship doesn't drive the ship anymore than the tail wags the dog.

    “On two occasions I have been asked, ‘Pray, Mr. Babbage, if
    you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers
    come out?’ […] I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of
    confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.”
    —Charles Babbage, Passages from the Life of a Philosopher
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