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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Cape View Post
    They get paid pretty shit compared to the work they could do in the private sector, at least here in the UK.
    they get paid infinitely more than the current subject of pro bono work which is what you are discussing with the other guy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Cape View Post
    I can give you a dozen more if your heavy on inductive logic but I don't share your belief that an extreme case cannot be used in an argument (see work on falsification doctrine). Anyway, point was we are heavily indebted to those before us who save us time. Most of you probably went to university to study SE, imagine if your professors had the same attitude. Good for encouraging independent research shite for all the algorithms you are unlikely to discover on your own... I mean you want to go invent rsa and isaac by yourselves?
    It doesn't make sense to me to hoard data, especially in the context of RSPS development. Competition can't be that frightening can it? Perhaps that's one of the reasons that activity in the community has reduced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scu11 View Post
    they get paid infinitely more than the current subject of pro bono work which is what you are discussing with the other guy
    Ok true.

    I don't see the relevance to my claim that without them teaching people they would be unlikely to have the same abilities they have now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Cape View Post
    They get paid pretty shit compared to the work they could do in the private sector, at least here in the UK.
    man if ur out of arguments just say so don't use this kind of shit

    what the fuck has low payrates of professors in UK have anything to do with what's being discussed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savions View Post
    man if ur out of arguments just say so don't use this kind of shit

    what the fuck has low payrates of professors in UK have anything to do with what's being discussed
    The implication that they do it for money.

    Idk why you are commenting if you can't even bother to read my post above where I explain why this is irrelevant anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Cape View Post
    I can give you a dozen more if your heavy on inductive logic but I don't share your belief that an extreme case cannot be used in an argument (see work on falsification doctrine). Anyway, point was we are heavily indebted to those before us who save us time. Most of you probably went to university to study SE, imagine if your professors had the same attitude. Good for encouraging independent research shite for all the algorithms you are unlikely to discover on your own... I mean you want to go invent rsa and isaac by yourselves?
    I am done posting here, my attitude is not 'do everything yourself'. If I had knowledge on something I would appreciate if the people who want the knowledge can actually ask me the relevant questions that can help them learn or figure it out for themselves, if someone was to just say I'm hoarding knowledge or just to release what I know, you can usually know their intention is not to learn. I am also talking specifically for RSPS here. I don't know where most people studied but professors usually explain the concept, show diagrams and pseudo code to give you an idea of what is going on. They then usually give a demonstration with live code which is publicly available. They will then test your knowledge by coming up with questions and puzzles you can solve by applying what you have learned. RSPS is such a niche scene and rare for people to just give away what they know especially when some rely on RSPS heavily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Cape View Post
    I don't see the relevance to my claim that without them teaching people they would be unlikely to have the same abilities they have now.
    because there is no financial benefit to doing so in communities like this? as tyluur eluded to earlier in this thread, he won't release something that helps competition or affects his income.

    teaching people does both of those things, it gets them closer to a monetisable product (thus increasing competition) and it will affect his income because he isn't getting paid for the time he's spending teaching them.

    alas some of us still make the effort to dedicate a large portion of their spare time to helping others for no financial gain : )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savions View Post
    man if ur out of arguments just say so don't use this kind of shit

    what the fuck has low payrates of professors in UK have anything to do with what's being discussed
    Scu diverged into his example. His point still stands.

    Anyway, point was we are heavily indebted to those before us who save us time. Most of you probably went to university to study SE, imagine if your professors had the same attitude. Good for encouraging independent research shite for all the algorithms you are unlikely to discover on your own
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scu11 View Post
    because there is no financial benefit to doing so in communities like this? as tyluur eluded to earlier in this thread, he won't release something that helps competition or affects his income.

    teaching people does both of those things, it gets them closer to a monetisable product (thus increasing competition) and it will affect his income because he isn't getting paid for the time he's spending teaching them.

    alas some of us still make the effort to dedicate a large portion of their spare time to helping developers : )
    There is a huge benefit to it. The primary motivations for current progress might be financial but there is a significant body of voluntary work that is instrumental to the progress of this community. Apollo is one such example, as I'm sure you're well aware being involved with it to the degree you have been.

    Not once have I said there is anything wrong with marketing or selling a product or anything like that. Your work, your time, sell it. Good shit.

    But we really are heavily indebted to the community as a whole, so many programmers would not even be here today without the good will of users like Graham, super_, frank, etc. You probably learned a great deal from them no? Did they ever charge you? You are now one of them partly due to their imparting of knowledge, without them you may not have even got started.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scu11 View Post
    because there is no financial benefit to doing so in communities like this? as tyluur eluded to earlier in this thread, he won't release something that helps competition or affects his income.

    teaching people does both of those things, it gets them closer to a monetisable product (thus increasing competition) and it will affect his income because he isn't getting paid for the time he's spending teaching them.

    alas some of us still make the effort to dedicate a large portion of their spare time to helping others for no financial gain : )
    If you're gonna mention my name you should know what I said.

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    i assumed you'd be able to connect the dots yourself. i released redrune666 regardless of the fact that it could affect my money and generate competition. it's the first 600+ server released with good combat and multi world support.
    this directly affects both scenarios and i chose to release it for the good of the community.

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