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    Quote Originally Posted by Savions View Post
    i used runedocs as an example as to how nobody bothered to take the project seriously including yourself considering you've left it not too long after announcing it i didn't expect you &/ your team to write out books of documentation all on yourselves but i did expect at least some sizable contribution 'to start with' because right now it looks like you didnt support your own project

    @Greg sorry bud, i forgot to thank you for your contribution, will definitely come in handy
    There's been multiple articles written, check our GitHub =]. I plan on updating it soon as well. There's lots going on behind the scenes.

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    hoarding a developed served seems counterintuitive and is one of the reasons we're behind as a development community. im sure you're perceiving a list of tree stumps as gods gift to progressing the rsps scene though
    We're not going to get anywhere at this rate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyluur View Post
    You raise good points. However, it seems you think that RedRune666 was a recent framework. It has only been published to GitHub recently - I haven't updated a line of code on it in > 3 years (approx.).

    Although some of your criticisms are valid, it should be clarified that this isn't an Arios rewrite - however you came to that conclusion puzzles me. However, I did reference their src, and credit them, as well as re-upload data from the Arios release.

    For my first "fully functional" framework, these are decent criticisms. How about yours?
    You haven't updated a line of code in over three years? So you have also carelessly released something with the careless code? I'm not surprised. I would not be happy that possible newcomers here would be looking at your base as reference for combat and learning bad habits. Releases aren't intended to encourage poor programming habits or code etiquette. Why then claim an over three year old source has 'good' combat because thats what you claimed not to mention 'the best release of 2020'. I have seen an Arios release before and I believe I have the IQ required to put two and two together to identify that the release is based off it, related to it, or was used in some way shape or form. Then comparing the code that you have used or related from there with your code, it is very easy to see what is yours and what is not. Arios was a good release, nothing wrong for using it and crediting them, definitely wrong of you to release that then compare it with others and try shame them or request them to release whatever it is you have in mind. They are no better off in releasing whatever it is you have in mind as opposed to not releasing it, you will probably gain from it and they are not going to. Its a bit like asking them to do the work for free don't you think? If you are puzzled as to why I would think Arios was used to based off by this I can see why the code for your combat also turned out that way. Oh almost forgot, I learned about basic probability a while ago and hence over three years ago. If I were to go back three years I still wouldn't have used the same logic you did; for those of you who have missed it:
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    // we dont want too low too often, so we reroll
    while (random <= (maxHit * 0.25) && count < 3) {
    			random = (int) RandomFunction.random(minimumHit, maxHit);
    			//System.out.println("rerolled a " + random + " and we got " + random + "[#" + count + "]");
    			count++;
    		}
    If that made sense to you three years ago then I don't even see a reason to why I am responding here because this is likely going to be a circular cyclical circuitous argument which I do not plan on wasting any more time on.

    I don't understand what you mean by 'fully functional' or what your conception of 'fully' is.

    How about mine? Well to your inconvenience, I am not the type of person who will spend quality time on developing something really well then show it off or try get recognition. Personally, I couldn't care less for all that, I am not the person to show you my code to try boost my ego or self esteem nor am I a teacher to show you my code. I have no benefit in showing anything to you, what do you expect we get into a call and discuss the countless ways you can solve the problems on your release? I see nothing more than a time waste there. Maybe at some point I will release some of my work, again like others have mentioned some people actually spend good time figuring things out, writing some good code and then have a member of Rune-Server try call you out for not releasing it. Nice move.

    Also what I think you are missing is, if you really want to work on something and understand why it works/how it works, nothing is stopping you. Simply spend the time in working out what it is you're trying to achieve and go through the learning process. Nobody here randomly knew what they know, they spent time and worked things out. People also appreciate some of the knowledge people have simply because some things can take a while to get right or figure it out especially if you know nothing before doing so. Some people value their time and nobody would enjoy giving their time out for free. Imagine instead of paying a parking fine of $100 you had to sit in an empty room until the amount of money you earn per hour would cover that. That would be 5 hours for some people, more for others or even less for others. If you can now conceive that people aren't just going to spoon feed or release to look good or boost their own desires. I'm sure if you spent the time to learn what Scu knows about certain topics, he would be more interested in discussing it with you as opposed to 'release it'.

    Don't forget this whole conversation started because you think or believe Scu has some sort of unpaid debt to rune-server for not releasing knowledge or whatever it is you expect released from him.

    My last point, just for simply asking 'how about yours' just shows you are more interested in probably leeching or seeing how other people have solved problems as opposed to being more curious about the thought process or the approach. Goes to show you rather see and have the code rather than understand how it was achieved. Some people may class this as 'blind developers', certainly somewhere I wouldn't want to be.

    Here is something you could bare in mind

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    Source: Dunning Kruger effect, image from google

    Consider this graph, maybe it will help you understand why people appreciate the process more than giving them a zip file with all their work. Also many people wouldn't mind giving you a clue or pointing you in the right direction, but it seems like you want the entire work. If you were stuck on something and people out there had been through it before and understands it could be a difficult process or its hard to figure out, they would be happy to possibly point you somewhere. Not everyone will appreciate if you just asked them for a release or a dump of data.
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    Quote Originally Posted by parabellum View Post
    You haven't updated a line of code in over three years? So you have also carelessly released something with the careless code? I'm not surprised. I would not be happy that possible newcomers here would be looking at your base as reference for combat and learning bad habits. Releases aren't intended to encourage poor programming habits or code etiquette. Why then claim an over three year old source has 'good' combat because thats what you claimed not to mention 'the best release of 2020'. I have seen an Arios release before and I believe I have the IQ required to put two and two together to identify that the release is based off it, related to it, or was used in some way shape or form. Then comparing the code that you have used or related from there with your code, it is very easy to see what is yours and what is not. Arios was a good release, nothing wrong for using it and crediting them, definitely wrong of you to release that then compare it with others and try shame them or request them to release whatever it is you have in mind. They are no better off in releasing whatever it is you have in mind as opposed to not releasing it, you will probably gain from it and they are not going to. Its a bit like asking them to do the work for free don't you think? If you are puzzled as to why I would think Arios was used to based off by this I can see why the code for your combat also turned out that way. Oh almost forgot, I learned about basic probability a while ago and hence over three years ago. If I were to go back three years I still wouldn't have used the same logic you did; for those of you who have missed it:
    Code:
    // we dont want too low too often, so we reroll
    while (random <= (maxHit * 0.25) && count < 3) {
                random = (int) RandomFunction.random(minimumHit, maxHit);
                //System.out.println("rerolled a " + random + " and we got " + random + "[#" + count + "]");
                count++;
            }
    If that made sense to you three years ago then I don't even see a reason to why I am responding here because this is likely going to be a circular cyclical circuitous argument which I do not plan on wasting any more time on.

    I don't understand what you mean by 'fully functional' or what your conception of 'fully' is.

    How about mine? Well to your inconvenience, I am not the type of person who will spend quality time on developing something really well then show it off or try get recognition. Personally, I couldn't care less for all that, I am not the person to show you my code to try boost my ego or self esteem nor am I a teacher to show you my code. I have no benefit in showing anything to you, what do you expect we get into a call and discuss the countless ways you can solve the problems on your release? I see nothing more than a time waste there. Maybe at some point I will release some of my work, again like others have mentioned some people actually spend good time figuring things out, writing some good code and then have a member of Rune-Server try call you out for not releasing it. Nice move.

    Also what I think you are missing is, if you really want to work on something and understand why it works/how it works, nothing is stopping you. Simply spend the time in working out what it is you're trying to achieve and go through the learning process. Nobody here randomly knew what they know, they spent time and worked things out. People also appreciate some of the knowledge people have simply because some things can take a while to get right or figure it out especially if you know nothing before doing so. Some people value their time and nobody would enjoy giving their time out for free. Imagine instead of paying a parking fine of $100 you had to sit in an empty room until the amount of money you earn per hour would cover that. That would be 5 hours for some people, more for others or even less for others. If you can now conceive that people aren't just going to spoon feed or release to look good or boost their own desires. I'm sure if you spent the time to learn what Scu knows about certain topics, he would be more interested in discussing it with you as opposed to 'release it'.

    Don't forget this whole conversation started because you think or believe Scu has some sort of unpaid debt to rune-server for not releasing knowledge or whatever it is you expect released from him.

    My last point, just for simply asking 'how about yours' just shows you are more interested in probably leeching or seeing how other people have solved problems as opposed to being more curious about the though process or the approach. Goes to show you rather see and have the code then understand how it was achieved. Some people may class this as 'blind developers', certainly somewhere I wouldn't want to be.

    Here is something you could bare in mind

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    Consider this graph, maybe it will help you understand why people appreciate the process more than giving them a zip file with all their work.
    It's rather disappointing what people assume my intentions are.
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    The whole 'just learn lol' attitude is so naive and stupid. If people like Frank from mitb hadn't taught people how to deob we'd still be in the fuckin stone ages. Some things ain't easy, they take a certain type of person, or luck, and it is frankly much much quicker if someone just explains something they've already taken the time to get to know intricately then it is for someone to go and duplicate that effort.
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    Everybody knows to exclusively ask Kris for data.
    Thanks for your object ids, Greg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Cape View Post
    The whole 'just learn lol' attitude is so naive and stupid. If people like Frank from mitb hadn't taught people how to deob we'd still be in the fuckin stone ages. Some things ain't easy, they take a certain type of person, or luck, and it is frankly much much quicker if someone just explains something they've already taken the time to get to know intricately then it is for someone to go and duplicate that effort.
    The community has come far in that sense and everyone should respect him for it. This individual though doesn't seem to have the mindset of learning. It seems he just wants people to release 'hoarded data' whatever he thinks that is. It would be more beneficial to learn from past experiences to figure out how whatever data he is after can be achieved. Usually when someone asks the correct questions to start with, its more respectable as opposed to 'you never release' or you're 'hoarding data'.

    Btw the extreme example you gave is negligible, no extreme cases can be used to make a point in an argument they usually have an opposite extreme to counter it and nothing is ever resolved, just end up going around in circles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by parabellum View Post
    The community has come far in that sense and everyone should respect him for it. This individual though doesn't seem to the mindset of learning. It seems he just wants people to release 'hoarded data' whatever he thinks that is. It would be more beneficial to learn from past experiences to figure out who whatever data he is after can be achieved.

    Btw the extreme example you gave is negligible, no extreme cases can be used to make a point in an argument they usually have an opposite extreme to counter it and nothing is ever resolved, just end up going around in circles.
    It seems your time would've been better spent knowing who you're talking to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by parabellum View Post
    The community has come far in that sense and everyone should respect him for it. This individual though doesn't seem to the mindset of learning. It seems he just wants people to release 'hoarded data' whatever he thinks that is. It would be more beneficial to learn from past experiences to figure out who whatever data he is after can be achieved.

    Btw the extreme example you gave is negligible, no extreme cases can be used to make a point in an argument they usually have an opposite extreme to counter it and nothing is ever resolved, just end up going around in circles.
    I can give you a dozen more if your heavy on inductive logic but I don't share your belief that an extreme case cannot be used in an argument (see work on falsification doctrine). Anyway, point was we are heavily indebted to those before us who save us time. Most of you probably went to university to study SE, imagine if your professors had the same attitude. Good for encouraging independent research shite for all the algorithms you are unlikely to discover on your own... I mean you want to go invent rsa and isaac by yourselves?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire Cape View Post
    imagine if your professors had the same attitude
    you realise they don't turn up and spend thousands of their hours teaching people for nothing right..? they get paid. very odd comparison to make in this discussion on the topic of pro bono work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scu11 View Post
    you realise they don't turn up and spend thousands of their hours teaching people for nothing right..? they get paid. very odd comparison to make in this discussion on the topic of pro bono work.
    They get paid pretty shit compared to the work they could do in the private sector, at least here in the UK.
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