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    Quote Originally Posted by _Lev View Post
    Imagine thinking you or anyone else are entitled to a single dollar of somebody else’s money.
    it's not his money. he made it by exploiting thousands of workers, have you seen the working conditions and the absolute disrespect they treat their employees with? if the employees are on their death bed and jeff bezos has billions in the bank, then fuck yes take it from him.


    I doubt you’d go and feed the homeless m8.
    i already donate to charities without needing to "start an rsps". i doubt you do.


    I agree that nobody should be dying and there are issues with the system, but communism and socialism are not the solution.
    yet you haven't given a concrete answer to why. you tried to lie and claim that "very few people are dying to lack of healthcare in the US" then completely ignored me when i went and sourced the stats that proved this a complete lie.


    Taxes can be increased on the super rich and we need to make sure they pay their fair share. But no way could I ever see anything above 30% being implemented that’s a joke.
    notice how you're just saying things are "a joke" and not explaining why?

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    Anyways we have completely different world views and beliefs on what’s important or not. when it comes to Major, Scu, and Jack I’ve always respected you guys for everything you’ve done in the past paving the way for many other people in this scene such as myself. I’ve learned a lot from each of you, especially when Jack let me work with him on a side project few years back and taught me a lot. No disrespect to y’all boys much love, no point of debating anymore as we won’t reach an agreement. I believe people should be responsible for their own well being, unless they have real issues making them need help, I do believe there are issues in America but I believe it is still the best economy, but some will always disagree.

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    it's not his money. he made it by exploiting thousands of workers, have you seen the working conditions and the absolute disrespect they treat their employees with? if the employees are on their death bed and jeff bezos has billions in the bank, then fuck yes take it from him.




    i already donate to charities without needing to "start an rsps". i doubt you do.




    yet you haven't given a concrete answer to why. you tried to lie and claim that "very few people are dying to lack of healthcare in the US" then completely ignored me when i went and sourced the stats that proved this a complete lie.




    notice how you're just saying things are "a joke" and not explaining why?
    Yeah he did treat employees bad and there should be some form of punishment for that, but to say that $140bn came from that isn’t serious man that comes from the value of amazon, I’m sure if he treated his employees better the value would be just as high if not higher. And when it comes to me saying over 30% is a joke, I believe anything above that is straight robbery. 30% of his income is billions of dollars they don’t need more than that. And I’ve donated to go fund me’s but no I haven’t donated to any big charitys and I’m not going to lie about that. And sure we’ll agree on that, 100% if a company makes that much they should no doubt fully cover any medical expenses of their employees, but it should come from the company, not from extra taxing on the CEO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Lev View Post
    I believe people should be responsible for their own well being
    "fuck the poor and uneducated"

    also i like how u completely dropped your lie about "the number of americans dying from lack of health care is very few" ever since i replied to it with actual statistics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scu11 View Post
    "fuck the poor and uneducated"

    also i like how u completely dropped your lie about "the number of americans dying from lack of health care is very few" ever since i replied to it with actual statistics.
    I don’t know about nationwide, as I’ve not done much research on this specific topic, but in my state there are programs where if you prove you’re trying hard, and studying hard, the government will cover your school and living expenses until you get a good job. My dad paid $50 a month in rent and his school was covered until he started his business. If that’s not the case nation wide I believe it should be.

    I do believe America will overall do better as a whole if we help out the people who’ve had generations of low income, who never got the chance to get educated, and were expected to grow up to be poor. But I don’t believe that we can implement free uni free college free healthcare etc for everyone. There are 350m people in America, the price for that would be insanely high and there’s no way something like that can be viable. America uses its tax money in a disgraceful way, we need to restructure a lot about how and where we spend the money we get 100% but I believe the system now with some tweaking is the best one in the world. Nobody should be starving, homeless, or lacking medical help, but overall free shit isn’t going to do much for us.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scu11 View Post
    "fuck the poor and uneducated"

    also i like how u completely dropped your lie about "the number of americans dying from lack of health care is very few" ever since i replied to it with actual statistics.
    Wasn’t a lie mate, didn’t realize it was that high and made me rethink things for sure. Last I heard it was 20k but your stats say up to 90k which is definitely too many. Anyone dying from that is too many to be honest.
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    edit : nvm scu already mentioned amazons working conditions

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Lev View Post
    My dad paid $50 a month in rent and his school was covered until he started his business. If that’s not the case nation wide I believe it should be. [...] I do believe America will overall do better as a whole if we help out the people who’ve had generations of low income, who never got the chance to get educated, and were expected to grow up to be poor.
    You know, these "communists" the American right panics over are really just asking for that. I don't know what state your in, but getting your rent and tuition covered is an extreme rarity in your country. Student loans take an average of 20 years to repay at the cost of $200-300 a month. Going back on that first link, that's a majority of your additional earnings for getting a degree. The poorest families simply aren't going to have the money saved to send their kids off to school, and the ones in the poorest school districts likely don't have the academic backing to even get accepted into post-secondary education. It's not like these poor families simply have the money to move to a better school district either, not to mention the higher cost of living in such an area.

    Quote Originally Posted by _Lev View Post
    But I don’t believe that we can implement free uni free college free healthcare etc for everyone. There are 350m people in America, the price for that would be insanely high and there’s no way something like that can be viable. [...] Nobody should be starving, homeless, or lacking medical help, but overall free shit isn’t going to do much for us.
    Economies of scale is part of what makes everything in America so effective. Farming subsidies keep your food cheap, a large consumer base is what keeps your economy and currency so strong, and you have enough large cities to produce a lot of innovators. Sure, 330M people sounds like a scary number of people to treat, but there are already 59M people covered by Medicare, 70M covered by some form of Medicaid, and 12M covered by the VA. Consider the fact that universal health care works well in other countries with large populations such as Japan (126M), Germany (83M), the UK (68M) France (67M), etc. (Note that Germany and France also provide free post-secondary education.) You could also adopt a system like the one we have in Canada, where each of our provinces has their own universal healthcare system that meets federal standards. Part of what makes the US health care system so expensive are billing and insurance-related costs. $504B of the $1.1T spent on health care administration is deemed in excess according to this report. It's no wonder that Americans spend by far the most per capita on health care, without universal coverage to show for it. Economies of scale work in other parts of American life - there's no doubt that making health care more efficient by monopolizing it under the government will do it too, as has been demonstrated by many other countries.

    When asking yourself why the left wants government involved in this and that, you could look to capitalist principles: some markets are more efficient when run by monopolies. Having a single buyer of health care (or other) goods can use its clout to drive down prices. Economies of scale mean that manufacturers of health care goods can streamline their production line, knowing that they'll have a reliable buyer that isn't going anywhere. It isn't any more socialist to want to use capitalism to guarantee health care for your citizens than it is to enforce the law with a state police force or to protect your property with municipal firefighters. Social programmes are what keep your roads paved and your borders secured. Why not use them to keep your people healthy and educated? Could that not also be seen as an investment in your country's future?

    For good measure, here are my results:
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    This test is kinda shit, honestly. There's no sense of how weighted the questions are, nor can you rate how important the issue is to you. It paints me as a literal commie pinko goober, but even Sanders and Corbyn (Labour) are too left for my liking on some issues. Their mapping of the latest Canadian election is pretty ridiculous too, given that the NDP and Green platforms were like 95%+ identical, and with which I was in near complete agreement. 2/10 would not compass again
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    Quote Originally Posted by King Waldo View Post
    You know, these "communists" the American right panics over are really just asking for that. I don't know what state your in, but getting your rent and tuition covered is an extreme rarity in your country. Student loans take an average of 20 years to repay at the cost of $200-300 a month. Going back on that first link, that's a majority of your additional earnings for getting a degree. The poorest families simply aren't going to have the money saved to send their kids off to school, and the ones in the poorest school districts likely don't have the academic backing to even get accepted into post-secondary education. It's not like these poor families simply have the money to move to a better school district either, not to mention the higher cost of living in such an area.

    Economies of scale is part of what makes everything in America so effective. Farming subsidies keep your food cheap, a large consumer base is what keeps your economy and currency so strong, and you have enough large cities to produce a lot of innovators. Sure, 330M people sounds like a scary number of people to treat, but there are already 59M people covered by Medicare, 70M covered by some form of Medicaid, and 12M covered by the VA. Consider the fact that universal health care works well in other countries with large populations such as Japan (126M), Germany (83M), the UK (68M) France (67M), etc. (Note that Germany and France also provide free post-secondary education.) You could also adopt a system like the one we have in Canada, where each of our provinces has their own universal healthcare system that meets federal standards. Part of what makes the US health care system so expensive are billing and insurance-related costs. $504B of the $1.1T spent on health care administration is deemed in excess according to this report. It's no wonder that Americans spend by far the most per capita on health care, without universal coverage to show for it. Economies of scale work in other parts of American life - there's no doubt that making health care more efficient by monopolizing it under the government will do it too, as has been demonstrated by many other countries.

    When asking yourself why the left wants government involved in this and that, you could look to capitalist principles: some markets are more efficient when run by monopolies. Having a single buyer of health care (or other) goods can use its clout to drive down prices. Economies of scale mean that manufacturers of health care goods can streamline their production line, knowing that they'll have a reliable buyer that isn't going anywhere. It isn't any more socialist to want to use capitalism to guarantee health care for your citizens than it is to enforce the law with a state police force or to protect your property with municipal firefighters. Social programmes are what keep your roads paved and your borders secured. Why not use them to keep your people healthy and educated? Could that not also be seen as an investment in your country's future?

    For good measure, here are my results:
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    This test is kinda shit, honestly. There's no sense of how weighted the questions are, nor can you rate how important the issue is to you. It paints me as a literal commie pinko goober, but even Sanders and Corbyn (Labour) are too left for my liking on some issues. Their mapping of the latest Canadian election is pretty ridiculous too, given that the NDP and Green platforms were like 95%+ identical, and with which I was in near complete agreement. 2/10 would not compass again
    Yeah m8 I've further looked into this with all the arguments Scu/Major made, I assumed that most states in the country were similar to mine when it comes to helping people who want to do better but don't speak the language, have no education, etc, but it's not as easy as it is in my state which is unfortunate. I still don't believe full Socialism/Communism should ever even be considered in this country, but I've been humbled by Scu/Major. America definitely needs to do a better job of helping those people in need, sure, if you have decent amount of money and are middle class there is great opportunity in the states, but from what I've looked into it seems like it's very hard in most states to build from the ground up. There are a few exceptions of course like Mayweather for example who went from a family where his parents were drug dealers/addicts and he was in a very bad area to being extremely rich, but that's nothing more than an exception. I still believe for the majority of the population, conservatism, and more freedom is what matters, but if a few extra percent taken from taxes mean a child wont die from having no health care, then that shouldn't even be debated. I don't think there should be a single payer healthcare system as that'd be a bit too much taken from taxes though. I believe people who can't afford it should have something provided, but people who can should be responsible for their own. There's no reason my family should be having our healthcare paid for when people are dying from no health care, we can pay for our own but put those taxes into the people who genuinely need it.
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    Tbh I think what's the worst part is the fact that a political compass where you input your data to say your political beliefs even exists.

    This is actually exactly how Cambridge Analytica got Donald Trump & Boris Johnson elected
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